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什么在精神上可以改变一个人的"本性"?注意:是本性

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人就像块石头
所有的事都会留下痕迹
最后成为艺术品或废品
黑暗之神的约束:
复仇之事,只属于汝,与吾无关
身既事吾,吾亦将赐福与汝
行事之罪,无论大小,皆记于汝身
终末之时,破其混沌之世,并归一始
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改变一个人,只要强烈的刺激或激发脑袋里强力刺激的一个开关就可以了……然后
,大脑就会针对这个刺激进行重构……

说起来容易,做起来难呀……(如果容易,早就有人作出Mind Controller了)

------------------好人分界线--------------------

Nothing never change.

One who want to live forever will suicide at the next second.

Change to pig, then you will be eternal......
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任何只要于本人世界观发生强烈摩擦的东西,其本人都会在其中二选一。如果再加上其他的因素,就会倾向于其中一方。所以改变人本质的往往是多方面的因素。例如:在路上遭抢了会说现在的强盗真多。但如果有一群旁观的人却无人伸出援手,那就会说这是什么世界。
所以任何出现本质的改变都是由量到质的改变。只因为单方面而改变的事很少。
所以,我说只有生活才会彻底改变一个人。
修建地狱第19层的某人……有空来做客……
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以下引用craft108在2006-7-1 12:45:31的发言:


请问什么才是一个人的本质呢?阁下对人的本质的定义是什么?信仰?但是从第二条看来又不是。
人生观么?理想么?又抑或是指物理上的本质???


正是无法回答这个问题,所以换了一个角度。从改变中去判断。。。
就像什么是真理。我们只能从各种表象中看出来。。。。

以下引用kkkklll在2006-7-1 12:48:56的发言:

Nothing never change.

One who want to live forever will suicide at the next second.

Change to pig, then you will be eternal......



I don't want to be eternal. And pig is not eternal...
I just want to think......
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I would say: in general, human nature never changes.
If you are talking about changes of an individual, then that's not a change of "nature", but only a change of "properties".
The mankind as a whole would not change so easily, no matter how time flies.
What is human nature, then?
In Western culture, if people say a movie or a novel reflects human nature, then it means that the movie/novel describes the negative aspects of human beings.
In other words - human nature is pure evil.
If you don't agree with me, that's fine... but to tell the truth, much of what I've found out about human nature is not nice.
Remember that.

<- please ignore this lunatic... -v-bb

P.S.: It is usually considered poor style to use extra-long strings in any situations, not only in a programming context -v-bb
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手贱了…… -v-bb(拖走
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以下引用03534在2006-7-1 12:09:03的发言:
改变该人的物质的构成成分、比例等能改变一个人的本质……
所谓思维,只是电信号、化学信号在大脑中传递形成的……
(貌似这个多少也牵涉到人工智能一类的问题了……)

太意识性的东西要改变人的本质的话,成功几率太过不确定了…………

神经毒气、切除部分脑部、失忆等对人的改变几乎是绝对的…………


在客观事物面前,我们的主观意识是多么的弱小.............



<= 请无视这个被应试教育毒害的人....


这种观点完全无法解释人的行为啊=v=bbb
あなたの笑顔 あなたの背中 あなたの優しい声
思い出すたびに 小さな胸が膨らんでく
あなたの夢を あなたの思う あなたが作る明日を
壊さないように 道端に咲く花のように
寄り添ってゆく   ——Senecio
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以下引用Crotchet在2006-7-1 12:54:53的发言:
I would say: in general, human nature never changes.
If you are talking about changes of an individual, then that's not a change of "nature", but only a change of "properties".
The mankind as a whole would not change so easily, no matter how time flies.
What is human nature, then?
In Western culture, if people say a movie or a novel reflects human nature, then it means that the movie/novel describes the negative aspects of human beings.
In other words - human nature is pure evil.
If you don't agree with me, that's fine... but to tell the truth, much of what I've found out about human nature is not nice.
Remember that.

<- please ignore this lunatic... -v-bb

P.S.: It is usually considered poor style to use extra-long strings in any situations, not only in a programming context -v-bb

我可以接受你的观点。
但是我认为你看到的不是全部,因为行恶者必得罚。
更重要的你会认为他是邪恶,正是因为你浸在善良里。作品只是让大家看到邪恶面的存在而已
真正的答案必然在每个人的心灵深处。。。我只是想发现。。。。

关于Style问题,我只是觉得这样比较清楚。。。。。。请勿怪
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以下引用Revenger在2006-7-1 12:22:18的发言:

1st:I can only believe I am alive and I don't want to die now. What else can I believe? Everything is changing, changing as the time pass sliently. Why am I unique? Just because we BELIEVE we are unique?

2nd:What is the nature of a man? I am always trying to seek answers in my soul. But only to find different contradictions. As I may not believe all these facts, What CAN I do?
But apparently, people changes. It's easier to find out answers in facts easier to perceive and think, Right?

Thanks


A to 1st: the answer is in your question...why you are unique? why you ask me for what you should believe in?
people are different and unique individually...because they think differently...they act differently...and they believe in different things due to their individual lives...or fate if you want think this way. i have just watched a drama called "Law and Order"...and there is a line: "people have to find something to believe in, everyone does, along with their lives." well, it is not an easy quest, or a single answer that others can simply tell you, it is what your life all about. and your life is your life, no one but you can give your life an answer, no one but you can and should make this decision about what you should believe in. truely, i can easily tell you what i believe in or tell you something like what you should believe in base on what i know about you...but that is my answer...do you want to believe what i believe in, do you want to believe what others tell you to believe in? then if so, how can you be unique? is it not whether you want to or not...you cannot...because the belief isn't something you can borrow from someone else...it is a deep feeling in your heart that you can only get it on your own. for example, you can plagiarize on the test to get good score, but that isn't yours, you cannot use it because the knowledge isn't in your brain but others'...what you think the belief is? what you think why people stick on their belief? because they went through it, they suffered the tough time in their lives, they have proved this belief by their tears and bloods. so they believe in it, in deep heart. otherwise, if you just ask for aswsers from other people but never find it on your own, you can never believe in anything because you could change your belief according to what people tell you. do you believe others? do you believe me? do you believe in yourself? you are a human just like others, you have a lot of things we all have...then what make you unique?...is your answer find by yourself, which no one can steal it, it is all yours, your life is just your life, and your belief is just your belief. that makes you unique. that makes you...a man...   

A to 2st: the same...i can tell you a lot about this...people can always help you, but something you gotta do on your own, seek on your own. you may feel lost, you may feel confused, you may change time by time. it happens...and it is the nature...no one cannot never change...everything in this world is changing...the matter of fact is...NOT to find the ANSWER, but go and find a SOLUTION. there is no asnwer that can always be true. no absolute law in this universe(by the way, that is what i believe in^^)...so rather than losing in seeking answers that are always changing, why not just accept the change, the situation, the reality, and find a way to deall with it...that may be easier...don't confuse yourself...by thinking...you control the thinking, which is your tool, not let the thinking controls you...and for fact, i will say there is no fact, or truth, depands on what you believe...if you believe that human come from ape, fine, if you believe god created the humanity, that is fine, too. there always are different explanations about everything...that is why it is so important that you choose your belief.

for the last word, you may see people changes, you may feel your own changing, as i said to one other friend a while ago, dont concentrate on that, dont focus on those thing are changing naturally, keep thinking about them can only make you tired because you will never find an answer...focus on what is still...stink on what you belief... that is all you need...and for a special case, i can tell you something that make you feel better temporarily, like what i always tell to myself somethimes, but later on you will find out that is no use and it is not true. it is easy to convince one, just like it is easy to fool one. but the point is not what you belief is, it is how you can keep on your believing, even though it will be tough, even though you may doubt about it...even though you finally know it is not true...even though you know you should change it...it is the same to your life...it is no about answers, it depands on how you treat your life...how you stick on your belief...how you be yourself...believe yourself first...and good luck, my friend...
比大海更深沉的忧伤,比天空更青蓝的悠远。
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正是无法回答这个问题,所以换了一个角度。从改变中去判断。。。
就像什么是真理。我们只能从各种表象中看出来。。。。

&&

If you are talking about changes of an individual, then that's not a change of "nature", but only a change of "properties".


不好意思我比较喜欢追根求底……
阁下原本是想思考什么是the nature of human?然后为了得出结果所以想寻找能改变它的事物,但是这样的话由于“本质的改变”的定义本身就是不确定的,正如您在1f的列举,无法判断它们是否是改变本质的东西……一个人生活习惯的改变表明他的本质改变了吗?追求的变化又能说是本质改变了吗?生命的诞生和死亡是本质的改变?由于对nature的看法不同,所以这样讨论下去必然是Death Loop…………
小学教科书告诉我们:空中阁楼是不对滴……

如果要定义人(人类)的本质的话,我的看法是包括物理存在的本质以及意识存在的本质;前者第一俺不明白生命对于宇宙体系的作用也不明白物质的存在基础,加上最近看《时间简史》看晕头了@_@不予置评……
意识存在体现在“个人”的价值取向和对事物的态度中,例如一个人对自己的责任的看法,或者说他认为自己应该发挥的作用,即相当于理想、追求之类的东西。因为意识存在的体现是个人的,所以对于不同的人们来说如果有着不同的改变方式是很正常的;如果要证明唯一确定的改变人们的意识本质的事物的存在与否实在是很难的……
我对于意识存在的本质的定义即是:可存在思维的事物/的判断性思维的存在,它在不同的个体中有着不同表现方式。
因此,改变一个人的意识本质的方法应该视此人的经历、逻辑方式、感情等方面而定。总之就是有些人意识本质的改变是由于随着时间推移引起感情淡化或者认知增加等缓慢的造成的,也有些人是由于感知到了强烈的刺激,例如偶然事件、Love、痛苦之类的造成了意识本质改变,但是都应该必然遵守量变到质变的原则(话说回来,这句话是否是真理我无法证明……呃,接下来评价下真理的问题

对于真理只能从表象看出来这句话,恕我无法赞同。如果只是基于表象或者表象的集合而得出的结论始终只是假说而已,只是表象越多越接近真理罢了,况且在有限个表象的情况下结论可以有无限种,这种事大家做数学的找规律题应该深有体会……即使按照当前结论正确预测出了下一个甚至下N个,也不能保证第N+1个的正确
被认为是真理只有2种,一是基于定义的结论,例如1+1=2,除非2的定义不是2=1+1,否则这就是真理;另一种就是基于定义可证明的。现在不论是相对论还是量子理论,即使被评价为正确,对我来说也只是比较正确罢了,在完全证明前还是不能当作真理(说起来我为什么觉得相对论的证明没有什么错误啊,为什么还是会被人们怀疑呢)……当然,这些都是我自己的看法,诸位不必赞同。

PS:我就是跑题王…………
PS2:KEY官网上右边的图片链接最下面那个数字38298487是什么意思?
放弃EVE了……
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呃~~~~~~~~
某给的答案:"死亡,死了就啥都变没了"
PS:这世界上有啥东西是不会变的么?
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